Date:         Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:21:40 -0400
Reply-To:     Fred Speirs <[log in to unmask]>
Sender:       Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees <[log in to unmask]>
From:         Fred Speirs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Ceremonial free kick whistle
Comments: To: Listkiewicz Tomasz <[log in to unmask]>
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I thought this was universal, not just Polish.

Fred


On 30/8/04 9:47 am, "Listkiewicz Tomasz"
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In Poland there is an official interpretation that says:
> If the kick is taken without a whistle (and ref told players to wait for the
> whistle):
> 1. If the ball is still in the possession of the attacking team - you have
> to repeat it and caution the player 2. If there is an advantage (meaning the
> defending team has got the ball, or the shot went wide and they have a goal
> kick) than you let them play (without a caution for the player) Regards
> Tomas
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Faucett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:10 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Ceremonial free kick whistle
>>
>> You retake the kick because play wasn't started properly. At least
>> that's what I'd do. Sometimes there might be a little confusion or the
>> attacker might not have heard you clearly, so why punish them for
>> something that may have been my mistake?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Keast
>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:38 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Ceremonial free kick whistle
>>
>> Vince, I have to disagree...  why give them a second chance?  If they
>> take the kick and miss signal the GK and let them know that had
>> anything else happened you would have called it back (if anything else
>> happens I would call it back).  Basically I am saying let them take
>> the kick, if it immediately goes out for a GK award the GK (perhaps if
>> it is saved to).
>> Don't
>> allow it to bounce around though :)
>>
>> Then deal with the player with a warning about repeated action.
>>
>> If you have to pull the ball out of the goal for a rekick - book him.
>>
>>         On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 01:31:46PM +0000, Vince DeFranco wrote:
>>> No matter which situation you describe, I'm going to retake the kick.
>> The
>>> second they touch the ball, I blow my whistle to stop play and warn
>> them not
>>> to do it again.  If they do, caution for UB.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Vince DeFranco
>>> Western Springs, IL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: The Geissmans <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Reply-To: The Geissmans <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Opponent in Penalty Area on goal kick
>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:24:28 -0700
>>>>
>>>> Possibly an analogy -- think about this and how it might influence
>>>> your decision.
>>>>
>>>> There's a DFK just outside the PA.  The ref tells the attacking
>>>> team to wait for the whistle, and sets the wall.  Everybody gets
>>>> ready, but the kick is taken before the whistle.
>>>>
>>>> (a)  the shot misses
>>>> (b)  the shot scores
>>>> (c)  the shot is saved by the keeper, and rebounds to an attacker
>>>>      who was not offside, and he scores
>>>> (d)  same as (c), but the shot goes over the bar
>>>>
>>>> Situation (c) seems most like the situation offered for discussion.
>>>
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