Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:56:20 -0700
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Subject:Re: What if the assessor gets it wrong?
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I think the normal process during the debrief, if the AR has done
something outside the normal parameters, is for the assessor to ask the
AR "What were your pre-game instructions from the referee regarding X?"
If the pre-game instruction was, for example, don't call anything in the
penalty area, then the assessor turns to the referee to ask "Why did you
give that instruction?" and it goes from there. If no calls in the
penalty area wasn't the CR's instruction, then the AR should be asked
what he/she saw and we can go from there. If they didn't see what
happened, what was their position, where were their eyes looking? If
they had a good reason to be directing their attention elsewhere, then,
fine, there really isn't anything more to say about what was missed.
"Open your eyes" is not valuable feedback to an official.
Patrick Duffy
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From: Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
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Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: What if the assessor gets it wrong?
I guess I see a distinction between an AR challenging (gently) an
invalid instruction in the pre-game, and ignoring an instruction after
the match starts. I would much rather take an extra minute before we
start to get us all on the same page; if an AR doesn't (or can't)
understand me, or the referee insists on doing things invalidly, I have
the option of sending her away, or walking away (if I'm the AR). I
don't have the option of proceeding when we are at cross purposes.
In that vein, I have sensed an undercurrent, during these discussions of
a difficult assessment, of trying to affix or deflect blame. If one or
more of the referees has screwed up, the key issue should be why, not
who. If the pre-game was inadequate, that is the area to fix; if it is
referee-AR communication, then that is; if an AR has ignored the
referee's instruction, I hope I am a good enough assessor to discern
that without the referee pointing fingers.
I would much rather have the referees engendering trust in (and
trustworthiness with) each other than scoring brownie points off each
other in the assessment. But that could be just me.
Doug Smith
USSF 06 USSF Instructor USSF Assessor
ex-NISOA NF Oregon
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:54:33 -0700
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> Subject: Re: What if the assessor gets it wrong?
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> There are some instructions from a CR that I would not follow.
> 1. "Don't call any fouls in the penalty area." Of course the usual
admonitions of giving the CR a chance depending on his position and
point of view as well as eye contact would apply. I have had a national
instructor/assessor tell that this is simply an incorrect instruction
and the CR would fail an assessment for giving out such an instruction.
> 2. "Don't mark down misconduct or goals." In these cases I mentally
note who and what happened and would write them down at an appropriate
stoppage. This is based on personal experience where my CR didn't
realize he gave out two yellows and didn't give the red until I got his
attention to tell him what happened.
>
> ...larry
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ron Leedy
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:06 PM
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> Neil Montgomery wrote -->
>
> > - he didn't like your instructions at all and just went his own way
>
> How does an AR leaving the world of "assisting" and enters the world
of "insisting" become the CR fault in his pre-game? I don't always like
the instruction I get from my CR but I always follow them. Or try my
best. If there is an instruction that doesn't follow the GTP than I ask
about it but he is the boss during the game. I will assist and support
him as a teammate. Only when we are away from the players do I comment
or become quizzical about why he made a call or refused to apply the
LOTG.
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> Ron Leedy
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