Date:         Tue, 12 May 2009 23:39:56 -0700
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From:         "Jorge L. Gimeno" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: advantage nullified by offside -- now what?
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If you accept the AR's flag for offside, then the advantage did not
materialize.  Give the free kick and use short words and simple sentences to
explain it to the players.  Give your AR the most obvious thumbs up you can.

The AR should realize what's happened and signal the offside and be prepared
to be overruled for the foul.  You can't make the offside go away
(unfortunately), and you should do what you can to get the referee going in
the right direction.  Be prepared to use short words and simple sentences to
explain it to the players.  Give the referee the most obvious thumbs up you
can.

-Jorge

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Christopher Seiwald
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:54 PM
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Subject: advantage nullified by offside -- now what?


This has to be an old song, but....

There I am, seeing the late tackle but the ball is already sailing forward
to
a forward with a good opportunity.  I'm doing the big arm sweep, calling out
"advantage!" and I look over and see my AR with his (offside) flag up.
Crap.

So how do you unwind this? It seems that if it wasn't the fouled player
offside
but rather the forward he was passing to, you really should rewind to the
foul rather than letting your botched advantage call ruin it.  No?

But how would your AR even let you know whether he was calling offside on
the
fouled player or on the forward player?  Should the AR stick with the
offside
mechanic if the fouled player was offside, but switch to a flag wave and
direction to indicate "I would have signaled offside on the forward, but
since
we were playing advantage I'm now suggesting you go back to the foul"?

Yes, this happened to me this weekend.  Unfortunately, I was so impressed
with
my advantage call that it took me a long time (a few touches) to see the
offside
flag.  By then I had no choice but to go with offside.

Christopher
USSF 7
Alameda, CA