Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:06:45 -0600
Reply-To:     Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
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Make that field players

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From: Craig & Maggie [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees'
Subject: RE: Hypothetical scenario and Referee Action: Another Twist

Minor point but, field layers do not need the referee's permission to switch
positions with the keeper...they need to notify him.   I know it must be at
a stoppage etc.


C Nelsen

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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Hypothetical scenario and Referee Action: Another Twist

Ron Leedy writes (in part, much snipping, including original post):

>
> ...  If A14 came in as GK, as soon as he touched the ball it was an
> outside agent. I would caution him for "Entering the field of play" and
> "illegal goalkeeper change".  ...

Just a reminder of a peripheral issue:  according to Law 12, substitutes can
only be cautioned for unsporting behavior, dissent, and delaying the restart
of play (anyone who is not a player, substitute, or substituted player
cannot be cautioned under any circumstances under the LOTG) .  So, a
substitute who enters the field without permission must be cautioned for USB
(cautionable offense #1), not "Entering Without Permission" (cautionable
offense #6).
 
And I would discourage anyone from describing a caution (in the misconduct
report) as for "illegal goalkeeper change".  The caution is for USB,
specifically for exchanging places (jerseys) with the 'keeper without
permission.

And in the first place, I have many qualms about even discussing this at
all.  The correct answer is for the referee team to do their job, and notice
the disgruntled player leaving, as well as the substitute entering without
permission, and dealing properly with those events before we get to a
situation where the unauthorised substitute is interfering with play.
 
To quote from ATR 3.4 SUBSTITUTION PROCEDURE:  "... Deviations may lead to
situations that the referee cannot settle within the Law."
 
Doug Smith 		 	   		  
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