Date:Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:07:27 -0400
Reply-To:Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
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From:Jim Livingston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:Re: No Soccer Content: Umpire admits he cost Tiger's pitcher a
"Ties go to the runner" -- that's a myth of the game of baseball /
Umpires know that there are no ties. That's why they hire us to decide
Correcting the call -- the first-base umpire makes almost all decisions
at first base --
unless he realizes that he was blocked out from some critical
asks for help before making a call.
The result of such seeking of information may be --
a) Input to his decision-making.
b) An emphatic call by a partner who is sure that he saw the key
determining the outcome.
c) A turn-back to the first-base umpire, when the helping umpire has
useful information to contribute.
It is very unhelpful for the first-base umpire to make a call, and then
a partner for input. Good officiating teams don't work that way.
Here's one traditional exception to a play at first base that a different
can make on his own volition --
If the batter-runner does not run outside the foul line for the second
half of his
trip to first base, and thereby interferes with a throw to a fielder at
said umpire -- usually the home plate umpire -- can declare the
for interference, even though the first-base umpire may have already
safe for reaching first base before he, or it, has been tagged.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Calvin G Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Half a step at first base happens all the time AND this was a FULL half
> step. Remembering that ties go to the runner - as I understand it - it was
> then not really that close! I still think that the official team should
> corrected the call!
> Calvin G Perry, O.D., F.A.A.O.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Kreuziger
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 18:22
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: No Soccer Content: Umpire admits he cost Tiger's pitcher a
> perfect game
> He was only "so obviously incorrect" when viewed on video (multiple angles)
> that was replayed in slow motion. I've seen numerous replays of similar
> plays where the incorrect call was made. The only thing different here was
> that it was one out away from being a perfect game. As much as I would
> like to think that a call on a play like that should be routine, it still
> was close (less than half a step).
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Calvin G Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > All of which is too bad - when "getting it right" is the goal. 23 years
> > the majors and he could not change his mind (or ask for assistance) when
> > was so obviously incorrect?? That's really a shame!
> > Cal
> > Calvin G Perry, O.D., F.A.A.O.
> > 25 Timothy Drive
> > Andover MA 01810
> > (H) 978.475.5924
> > (C) 978.204.3816
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of doug smith
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 16:44
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: No Soccer Content: Umpire admits he cost Tiger's pitcher a
> > perfect game
> > Umpires ask each other for help all the time - but it's usually limited
> > situations when another umpire has a better and/or
> > unobstructed/undistracted
> > view of what happened, such as a checked swing.
> > There is no prohibition against asking for help, but I presume it would
> > a
> > major down-check on any assessment/evaluation. At the MLB level, the
> > umpires are expected to not get screened, to get in position to take a
> > complete and motionless mental snapshot of the situation, and make the
> > call.
> > The emphasis is on the last item on that list: with MLB managers,
> > uncertainty and/or hesitation is like sprinkling blood in front of
> > So, among high-level umpires, there is a strong cultural bias toward
> > the call, and sticking by it. Asking for help in a bang-bang play at a
> > base
> > is akin to saying, "Okay, partner, I'm not competent to be here, bail me
> > out." And volunteering unsolicited help is akin to saying, "Okay,
> > you're obviously not competent to be here, so I'm here to bail you out."
> > Neither are high-payoff events.
> > This also manifests in something I heard once at an umpiring clinic. Ask
> > any MLB umpire who the best umpire is in the world, and you'll get the
> > answer: me. It's not egotism, it's a recognition of what is required to
> > succeed at that level.
> > Doug Smith
> > >
> > > ?? What is the Baseball rule about changing one's mind on a call? Is it
> > > forbidden? Are the other officials allowed to confer?
> > >
> > > CGP
> > >
> > > Calvin G Perry
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