Date:         Mon, 1 Nov 2010 08:23:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees
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From:         Sandy and Ferenc Korompai <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: What's the official reason for the disqualification?
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In the pre-card days the Charlton brothers learned about their having been cautioned in the 1966 ENG-ARG WC match from the next morning's newspapers. According to another source Bobby officially learned of the caution from FIFA in 1998 ruining Sir Charles' perceived immaculate record. 
The showing of the card should have no role in the event. Simunic was not sent off after the second caution for lack of red card but for lack of decision by the referee (and probably through the failure of the 4th)

Ferenc


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brian Smith-White<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
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  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: What's the official reason for the disqualification?


  A thought scenario to focus on communication/event. A player is cautioned a
  second time. Prior to being shown the red card a fight breaks out. Lots of
  punching, kicking, spitting. A brawl. The referee quickly shows the red card
  to 5 people on one team and 6 people on the other. The match is over - at
  least one team has fewer than the minimum number of players. While writing
  up the match report it becomes obvious that the player who received the
  second caution didn't participate in the brawl. Thus the player received two
  cautions but no red card. Do you add the red card despite not showing it? Is
  the player eligible for the next match?

  Extra credit - if the player attempts to participate in the next match (they
  never saw a red card and thus would have no reason to suspect they are
  suspended) and the referee attempts to deny them permission, what happens if
  they the team files a grievance? 

  BSW