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Date:   Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:01:00 -0500
Reply-To:   Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees <[log in to unmask]>
Sender:   Discussion of Topics for Soccer Referees <[log in to unmask]>
From:   Jim Livingston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:   Re: Identify the kicker... or... ?
In-Reply-To:   <[log in to unmask]>
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Doug Smith correctly points out --

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:25 PM, doug smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> > > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:38:18 -0500, Jim Livingston > > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > 2) Premature kick by proper kicker -- use the decision tables, > > > driven by the argument "Where is the ball?" > > >[snip] > > > > Jim- > > > > Are you suggesting that if the ball is kicked before the whistle and > misses > > it should be an IFK coming out? That would be a change in the Law -- a > kick > > before the whistle cannot put the ball in play. Note that the ATR refers > to > > infringements *after* the referee's whistle. (That said, I'm not sure it > > would be a bad change to the Laws . . . always awkward to tell the > defense > > "sorry, but that miss didn't count, we're doing it again.") > > It is not merely ATR that makes this assertion. It is directly inferrable > from the text of Law 14: > > "Infringements and Sanctions > If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken > and, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs: ..." > > From this I deduce that no infringement of Law 14 can occur until the > referee has signalled for the PK to be taken. I suggest that proper > procedure for the referee is to blow the whistle (loudly, possibly multiple > times) as soon as the kick is noticed to be prematurely taken, maybe even > before, and sell the non-status of the kick, regardless of the outcome. To > borrow a mechanic from another sport, if a baseball umpire needs to negate > the current pitch from being a pitch (for whatever reason), she dives out > from behind the catcher while shouting "No pitch!" > > Just tell everyone that you hadn't yet signalled for the kick to be taken, > and the PK never happened - just like for kickoffs, and ceremonial FKs, or > any other time a second whistle is required. > > The critical period for a PK is the time between when the referee signals > for the kick to be taken, and when the referee decides the PK has been > completed. The latter is very subjective, and should be; the former is > neither. > > Doug Smith >

Doug --

I have no doubt that your exposition is correct, for Law 14 as written.

I am merely making a suggestion for a change in either Law 14, or its interpretation, since I am convinced that the disposition of the premature PK is not well thought out for all forseeable outcomes.

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